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		<title>By: hassan</title>
		<link>http://wasalaam.wordpress.com/2008/02/21/african-american-muslims-a-possible-future/#comment-26348</link>
		<dc:creator>hassan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 04:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Asalaamu 'alaykum,

Jazakallahu khairan for the much needed introspection. There is so much wrong with the very basics of our Islam and Iman that we really don't have much of a reason to complain. We're too focused on group glory and yet forget to save our own souls and uphold Allah's commands. 

All of our problems our nothing compared to the true and time tested solutions that the Messenger of Allah brought as a mercy. Unfortunately, we think too highly of ourselves and stray confused and dumbfounded. May Allah give us the tawfiq to uphold his commandments and strengthen kinship ties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Asalaamu &#8216;alaykum,</p>
<p>Jazakallahu khairan for the much needed introspection. There is so much wrong with the very basics of our Islam and Iman that we really don&#8217;t have much of a reason to complain. We&#8217;re too focused on group glory and yet forget to save our own souls and uphold Allah&#8217;s commands. </p>
<p>All of our problems our nothing compared to the true and time tested solutions that the Messenger of Allah brought as a mercy. Unfortunately, we think too highly of ourselves and stray confused and dumbfounded. May Allah give us the tawfiq to uphold his commandments and strengthen kinship ties.</p>
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		<title>By: Saifuddin</title>
		<link>http://wasalaam.wordpress.com/2008/02/21/african-american-muslims-a-possible-future/#comment-26315</link>
		<dc:creator>Saifuddin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 19:44:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;BismillaharRahmanirRahim

as-salaamu 'alaikum&lt;/i&gt; Margari Aziza Hill. You wrote,

&lt;blockquote&gt;"I have had Africans (living in America) yell at me saying I had no right to call myself African American."&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Does this experience supersede reason? Imam al-Haddad suggests,

&lt;blockquote&gt;"Admirable it is for man to join kinship if they don’t bond with him, to be courteous towards them if they are rude with him. The Messenger of Allah Almighty said: &lt;i&gt;“The one who joins kinship bonds is not the one who merely reciprocates, nay, the one who joins is he who keeps kinship ties when he is cut off (from them).&lt;/i&gt;"&lt;/blockquote&gt;

But are you suggesting &lt;em&gt;not &lt;/em&gt;to value and identify the kinship with African-American's ethnic origins, to be indifferent to ethnic origins or something else entirely? Perhaps, you are saying to celebrate Black American Culture? I am, however, &lt;em&gt;not &lt;/em&gt;suggesting to discount Black American Culture, in fact I think what is considered "Black American Culture" would be more richly enhanced with a legitimate knowledge and connection to an individual's ethnic history. Despite what some observers have suggested, though complicated, it's not an impossible &lt;i&gt;mash-up&lt;/i&gt;, for lack of a better phrase.

As for the experiences of others which you have given an account of saying,

&lt;blockquote&gt;"They mentioned that is because Black Americans expect for there to be a cultural connection, they hope to be embraced as brethren by their West African counterparts."&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Again, what is the alternative? It is my prayer that one of the points that you found "interesting" was the suggestion to develop,

&lt;blockquote&gt;"a kinship of religious character with the &lt;i&gt;‘Ahl Sunnat wal Jama’ah&lt;/i&gt;, as well as the knowledge of blood ties and familial identity with the nations from which African Americans are originating."&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Perhaps the intention to please &lt;i&gt;Allah ta 'ala&lt;/i&gt;, rather than satisfy a need for social acceptance, will send different results to us. I remember the first time I sat with Shaykh Abdul Kerim, we were having a private talk... our first real private talk. And I was complaining about a &lt;i&gt;shaykh&lt;/i&gt; that I was following when I was in my teens (about 15 years ago). To make a long story short I inadvertently called the &lt;i&gt;shaykh&lt;/i&gt; a "fake-&lt;i&gt;shaykh&lt;/i&gt;" expecting Shaykh Abdul Kerim to share my sentiments. But instead, he looked at me sternly and said,

&lt;blockquote&gt;"How do you know he is a fake-&lt;i&gt;shaykh&lt;/i&gt;, do you have a tester?"&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I paused. He finished,

&lt;blockquote&gt;"Maybe you were a fake-&lt;i&gt;murid&lt;/i&gt;?"&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I was stunned. He then asked,

&lt;blockquote&gt;"Be honest with yourself. Did you receive more good from him than bad or more bad than good?"&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And the honest answer was that I received so much more good than bad, in fact the more I've looked at it since that day, I realize that I was creating the trouble that I had been complaining about... that is... if I'm really going to be honest and sincere with myself. Thank you for your thoughts.

-Saifuddin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>BismillaharRahmanirRahim</p>
<p>as-salaamu &#8216;alaikum</i> Margari Aziza Hill. You wrote,</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;I have had Africans (living in America) yell at me saying I had no right to call myself African American.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Does this experience supersede reason? Imam al-Haddad suggests,</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Admirable it is for man to join kinship if they don’t bond with him, to be courteous towards them if they are rude with him. The Messenger of Allah Almighty said: <i>“The one who joins kinship bonds is not the one who merely reciprocates, nay, the one who joins is he who keeps kinship ties when he is cut off (from them).</i>&#8220;</p></blockquote>
<p>But are you suggesting <em>not </em>to value and identify the kinship with African-American&#8217;s ethnic origins, to be indifferent to ethnic origins or something else entirely? Perhaps, you are saying to celebrate Black American Culture? I am, however, <em>not </em>suggesting to discount Black American Culture, in fact I think what is considered &#8220;Black American Culture&#8221; would be more richly enhanced with a legitimate knowledge and connection to an individual&#8217;s ethnic history. Despite what some observers have suggested, though complicated, it&#8217;s not an impossible <i>mash-up</i>, for lack of a better phrase.</p>
<p>As for the experiences of others which you have given an account of saying,</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;They mentioned that is because Black Americans expect for there to be a cultural connection, they hope to be embraced as brethren by their West African counterparts.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Again, what is the alternative? It is my prayer that one of the points that you found &#8220;interesting&#8221; was the suggestion to develop,</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;a kinship of religious character with the <i>‘Ahl Sunnat wal Jama’ah</i>, as well as the knowledge of blood ties and familial identity with the nations from which African Americans are originating.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Perhaps the intention to please <i>Allah ta &#8216;ala</i>, rather than satisfy a need for social acceptance, will send different results to us. I remember the first time I sat with Shaykh Abdul Kerim, we were having a private talk&#8230; our first real private talk. And I was complaining about a <i>shaykh</i> that I was following when I was in my teens (about 15 years ago). To make a long story short I inadvertently called the <i>shaykh</i> a &#8220;fake-<i>shaykh</i>&#8221; expecting Shaykh Abdul Kerim to share my sentiments. But instead, he looked at me sternly and said,</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;How do you know he is a fake-<i>shaykh</i>, do you have a tester?&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>I paused. He finished,</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Maybe you were a fake-<i>murid</i>?&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>I was stunned. He then asked,</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Be honest with yourself. Did you receive more good from him than bad or more bad than good?&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>And the honest answer was that I received so much more good than bad, in fact the more I&#8217;ve looked at it since that day, I realize that I was creating the trouble that I had been complaining about&#8230; that is&#8230; if I&#8217;m really going to be honest and sincere with myself. Thank you for your thoughts.</p>
<p>-Saifuddin</p>
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		<title>By: Margari Aziza Hill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Margari Aziza Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 17:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you make some interesting points, however I think you simplify the divisions within the Black American and African immigrant community in America. In truth, many of us spent the entire 90s trying to relate to African culture, even to the places that are our historical roots Ghana and Senegal (being two major outposts of the slave trade). I have had Africans (living in America) yell at me saying I had no right to call myself African American. I was not African.  I also know from a white Fulbrighter who went to Senegal who said that her Senegalese host family and teachers noted the Black Americans have the hardest time in Senegal (compared to white students). They mentioned that is because Black Americans expect for there to be a cultural connection, they hope to be embraced as brethren by their West African counterparts. But the cultural practices in Senegal are different, as are the systems of social stratification. It is also a society was based on a caste system, black smiths, griots, etc. There lineages from former slaves are still looked down upon. So, me being African American, it is clear that I am from a slave lineage. But a white American can be accepted because of her relationship with power. Don't get me wrong, Senegalese are really amazing wonderful people. And I know Black Americans who have developed strong ties in Ghana and Senegal. But they are still American in people's eyes and that has a whole lot of baggage.

I wonder have you been to West Africa? I guess when we are encouraging people to make kinship ties and identify with the people who reside in the lands of our distant origins, we should try it out ourselves and see how that goes.

Just a thought....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you make some interesting points, however I think you simplify the divisions within the Black American and African immigrant community in America. In truth, many of us spent the entire 90s trying to relate to African culture, even to the places that are our historical roots Ghana and Senegal (being two major outposts of the slave trade). I have had Africans (living in America) yell at me saying I had no right to call myself African American. I was not African.  I also know from a white Fulbrighter who went to Senegal who said that her Senegalese host family and teachers noted the Black Americans have the hardest time in Senegal (compared to white students). They mentioned that is because Black Americans expect for there to be a cultural connection, they hope to be embraced as brethren by their West African counterparts. But the cultural practices in Senegal are different, as are the systems of social stratification. It is also a society was based on a caste system, black smiths, griots, etc. There lineages from former slaves are still looked down upon. So, me being African American, it is clear that I am from a slave lineage. But a white American can be accepted because of her relationship with power. Don&#8217;t get me wrong, Senegalese are really amazing wonderful people. And I know Black Americans who have developed strong ties in Ghana and Senegal. But they are still American in people&#8217;s eyes and that has a whole lot of baggage.</p>
<p>I wonder have you been to West Africa? I guess when we are encouraging people to make kinship ties and identify with the people who reside in the lands of our distant origins, we should try it out ourselves and see how that goes.</p>
<p>Just a thought&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Mikael Pittam</title>
		<link>http://wasalaam.wordpress.com/2008/02/21/african-american-muslims-a-possible-future/#comment-26307</link>
		<dc:creator>Mikael Pittam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 20:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post. Thanks for sharing. I stumbled it. Keep up the wonderful writing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post. Thanks for sharing. I stumbled it. Keep up the wonderful writing.</p>
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		<title>By: Saifuddin</title>
		<link>http://wasalaam.wordpress.com/2008/02/21/african-american-muslims-a-possible-future/#comment-26293</link>
		<dc:creator>Saifuddin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 20:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;BismillaharRahmanirRahim

wa 'alaikum as-salaam. Alhamdulillah&lt;/i&gt;! Dawud Walid it is a shame, but something I feel can be handled by the Grace of Allah ta 'ala. What I am looking to impress upon the minds of myself, Muslims and specifically African Americans is the commandment to value blood ties, without exceeding the limits of course. I think that African Americans have somehow come to the conclusion that they are an entirely different entity than the ancestry left behind on the Western Coast of the African continent. This is a big fitnah. And something that the Holy Prophet (s.a.w.s) would not have accepted.

Our Grand Shaykh, Sultan AwliyaAllah Maulana Shaykh Nazim gave a sohbet, a talk, at Masjid al-Aqsa in Harlem August of 2000 saying to a room of nearly 3000 Africans (From Senegal, Guinea, Nigeria, Mali, Somalia and others) that they are,

&lt;blockquote&gt;"the flag-carriers of Islam to this nation, particularly to the African-Americans, and that the zakat for their money is 2.5% of their wealth, but the zakat on their faith is to bring one person to Islam."&lt;/blockquote&gt;

There is a Divine Secret in this &lt;i&gt;sohbet&lt;/i&gt;. Indeed, I believe it is essential for the success of African American Muslims to develop a kinship of religious character with the &lt;i&gt;‘Ahl Sunnat wal Jama’ah&lt;/i&gt;, as well as the knowledge of blood ties and familial identity with the nations from which African Americans are originating. This is because a person's skin color is not an acceptable marker of identity according to Islamic tradition and reason. And I will be frank here, this position confuses most Muslims on the outside looking in, that is to say a reference to a "African-American Identity" which completely excludes an individual's ethnic origins, tribal identities and associated blood ties.

-Saifuddin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>BismillaharRahmanirRahim</p>
<p>wa &#8216;alaikum as-salaam. Alhamdulillah</i>! Dawud Walid it is a shame, but something I feel can be handled by the Grace of Allah ta &#8216;ala. What I am looking to impress upon the minds of myself, Muslims and specifically African Americans is the commandment to value blood ties, without exceeding the limits of course. I think that African Americans have somehow come to the conclusion that they are an entirely different entity than the ancestry left behind on the Western Coast of the African continent. This is a big fitnah. And something that the Holy Prophet (s.a.w.s) would not have accepted.</p>
<p>Our Grand Shaykh, Sultan AwliyaAllah Maulana Shaykh Nazim gave a sohbet, a talk, at Masjid al-Aqsa in Harlem August of 2000 saying to a room of nearly 3000 Africans (From Senegal, Guinea, Nigeria, Mali, Somalia and others) that they are,</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;the flag-carriers of Islam to this nation, particularly to the African-Americans, and that the zakat for their money is 2.5% of their wealth, but the zakat on their faith is to bring one person to Islam.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>There is a Divine Secret in this <i>sohbet</i>. Indeed, I believe it is essential for the success of African American Muslims to develop a kinship of religious character with the <i>‘Ahl Sunnat wal Jama’ah</i>, as well as the knowledge of blood ties and familial identity with the nations from which African Americans are originating. This is because a person&#8217;s skin color is not an acceptable marker of identity according to Islamic tradition and reason. And I will be frank here, this position confuses most Muslims on the outside looking in, that is to say a reference to a &#8220;African-American Identity&#8221; which completely excludes an individual&#8217;s ethnic origins, tribal identities and associated blood ties.</p>
<p>-Saifuddin</p>
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		<title>By: dawudwalid</title>
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		<dc:creator>dawudwalid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 22:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As-Salaamu `Alaykum,

Good post, as usual.  

It is a shame that this topic even needs discussion among Blackamerican Muslims. 

The Salafi da'wah truly exasperated the sentiment among us that our non-Muslim family members aren't "our people."  Never mind that the Qur'an says that Nabi Salih (AS) said to Thamud, "Oh my people!" or that the Qur'an says, "And to Thamud we sent their BROTHER Salih."

BarakALLAHU feek.

Wassalaam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As-Salaamu `Alaykum,</p>
<p>Good post, as usual.  </p>
<p>It is a shame that this topic even needs discussion among Blackamerican Muslims. </p>
<p>The Salafi da&#8217;wah truly exasperated the sentiment among us that our non-Muslim family members aren&#8217;t &#8220;our people.&#8221;  Never mind that the Qur&#8217;an says that Nabi Salih (AS) said to Thamud, &#8220;Oh my people!&#8221; or that the Qur&#8217;an says, &#8220;And to Thamud we sent their BROTHER Salih.&#8221;</p>
<p>BarakALLAHU feek.</p>
<p>Wassalaam.</p>
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